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		<title>By: Kathleen Lowrey</title>
		<link>http://moreorlessbunk.wordpress.com/2013/02/14/no-future-no-future-no-future-for-you/#comment-6025</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Kathleen Lowrey]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Feb 2013 15:09:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Bet you wouldn&#039;t guess Canada!  But Christensen&#039;s tome is the little red book for the Board of Governors at my institution, the University of Alberta.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bet you wouldn&#8217;t guess Canada!  But Christensen&#8217;s tome is the little red book for the Board of Governors at my institution, the University of Alberta.</p>
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		<title>By: University teacher</title>
		<link>http://moreorlessbunk.wordpress.com/2013/02/14/no-future-no-future-no-future-for-you/#comment-6020</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[University teacher]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Feb 2013 10:44:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[It doesn&#039;t matter what we think; it matters what student value.  We can argue that MOOCs don&#039;t provide the same climate, or (for the moment) the expert feedback that is found in a traditional setting, and I agree with these views.  But the students will vote with their feet, so it may be worthwhile being clear about the value we add, and perhaps seek ways of enhancing this.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It doesn&#8217;t matter what we think; it matters what student value.  We can argue that MOOCs don&#8217;t provide the same climate, or (for the moment) the expert feedback that is found in a traditional setting, and I agree with these views.  But the students will vote with their feet, so it may be worthwhile being clear about the value we add, and perhaps seek ways of enhancing this.</p>
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		<title>By: undinenotofgeneralinterest</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[undinenotofgeneralinterest]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Feb 2013 23:33:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Thank you for writing this. About the lab science component: I&#039;m not a scientist, but just how far will the chemistry major get without the complex and expensive equipment that any university lab has? To graduate school? To real-world applications of the science and discoveries? 

And once university research funding dries up (no need for professors = no one to do research and write grants), who&#039;s going to do the fundamental R &amp; D that companies have increasingly farmed out to (or stolen from) research institutions over the past few decades?  

The only thing that won&#039;t be at a premium are &quot;ideas&quot; like Christensen&#039;s.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you for writing this. About the lab science component: I&#8217;m not a scientist, but just how far will the chemistry major get without the complex and expensive equipment that any university lab has? To graduate school? To real-world applications of the science and discoveries? </p>
<p>And once university research funding dries up (no need for professors = no one to do research and write grants), who&#8217;s going to do the fundamental R &amp; D that companies have increasingly farmed out to (or stolen from) research institutions over the past few decades?  </p>
<p>The only thing that won&#8217;t be at a premium are &#8220;ideas&#8221; like Christensen&#8217;s.</p>
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		<title>By: Jonathan Rees</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jonathan Rees]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Feb 2013 22:52:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[That would have been my next guess.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That would have been my next guess.</p>
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		<title>By: David Golumbia</title>
		<link>http://moreorlessbunk.wordpress.com/2013/02/14/no-future-no-future-no-future-for-you/#comment-6014</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[David Golumbia]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Feb 2013 22:33:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[i only disagree about &quot;money isn&#039;t really the point.&quot; it&#039;s the point because a) true liberal arts education tends to produce people of all political stripes who question the foundations of big social questions, and therefore make profits more difficult (a major reason for the neoconservative war on education); b) Christensen&#039;s B-school buddies want to tap into/divert that big income stream from both funders and students that they now see going toward the state, instead of private corporations.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>i only disagree about &#8220;money isn&#8217;t really the point.&#8221; it&#8217;s the point because a) true liberal arts education tends to produce people of all political stripes who question the foundations of big social questions, and therefore make profits more difficult (a major reason for the neoconservative war on education); b) Christensen&#8217;s B-school buddies want to tap into/divert that big income stream from both funders and students that they now see going toward the state, instead of private corporations.</p>
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		<title>By: David Golumbia</title>
		<link>http://moreorlessbunk.wordpress.com/2013/02/14/no-future-no-future-no-future-for-you/#comment-6013</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[David Golumbia]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Feb 2013 22:31:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Virginia (running a close third in neocon anti-education bluster, &amp; home to both K. Cuccinelli and E. Cantor)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Virginia (running a close third in neocon anti-education bluster, &amp; home to both K. Cuccinelli and E. Cantor)</p>
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		<title>By: Jonathan Rees</title>
		<link>http://moreorlessbunk.wordpress.com/2013/02/14/no-future-no-future-no-future-for-you/#comment-6012</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jonathan Rees]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Feb 2013 21:53:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[My first guess is that you live in Texas.  Second guess is Florida.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My first guess is that you live in Texas.  Second guess is Florida.</p>
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		<title>By: David Golumbia</title>
		<link>http://moreorlessbunk.wordpress.com/2013/02/14/no-future-no-future-no-future-for-you/#comment-6011</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[David Golumbia]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Feb 2013 21:50:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[thank you for writing this. 

my state university forces us to indicate how we will implement Christensen&#039;s creative disruption (mentioned by name and with references) in all our internal funding applications. every time I see it I want to run into the President&#039;s office with the quotations you&#039;ve picked out (and others) and ask him how long he plans for the university to continue to exist, so I can figure out my career plans.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>thank you for writing this. </p>
<p>my state university forces us to indicate how we will implement Christensen&#8217;s creative disruption (mentioned by name and with references) in all our internal funding applications. every time I see it I want to run into the President&#8217;s office with the quotations you&#8217;ve picked out (and others) and ask him how long he plans for the university to continue to exist, so I can figure out my career plans.</p>
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		<title>By: Kathleen Lowrey</title>
		<link>http://moreorlessbunk.wordpress.com/2013/02/14/no-future-no-future-no-future-for-you/#comment-6010</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Kathleen Lowrey]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Feb 2013 20:57:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I think it is worse than that -- I think they want universities killed.  It&#039;s far more ideological than it is financial.  If you read Christensen&#039;s book, his &quot;exemplary&quot; school, BYU-Idaho, didn&#039;t start using on-line courses on a voluntary basis; they introduced requirements for certain majors that at least 2 courses *had* to be taken on-line.  If MOOCs were a genius business idea, they&#039;d be making a private-sector profit already.  Instead companies like Udacity &quot;partner&quot; with public universities (and thus attach their private-sector funnels to public funding).  Eventually, students from average to poor backgrounds are not going to be given a choice between &quot;traditional&quot; and on-line versions of college.  They are going to be informed that if they want a degree, and of course they will want one because it will be necessary to even be considered for any of the few jobs left in the economy, they&#039;ll have to sit in front a screen for a few years, at the end of which they can take some credentialing exams.  Rich students will still pay premium prices for traditional higher education, especially because it will remain -- and be reinforced as -- a marker of super-eliteness.

But money isn&#039;t really the point for zealots (and I use the religious term advisedly) like Christensen.  They want the publicly-funded enterprise, through which independent, critically-minded researchers in everything from geochemistry to gender studies are enabled to work in many institutions and influence many other fellow citizens, destroyed.    It&#039;s a wild-eyed ideological campaign disguised (as is so often the case) as a common-sense pragmatic one.   

Arguing the technical dimensions of whether MOOCs could be effective for democratizing certain aspects of knowledge-diffusion (they could be, managed entirely differently than they are at present) misses the point.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think it is worse than that &#8212; I think they want universities killed.  It&#8217;s far more ideological than it is financial.  If you read Christensen&#8217;s book, his &#8220;exemplary&#8221; school, BYU-Idaho, didn&#8217;t start using on-line courses on a voluntary basis; they introduced requirements for certain majors that at least 2 courses *had* to be taken on-line.  If MOOCs were a genius business idea, they&#8217;d be making a private-sector profit already.  Instead companies like Udacity &#8220;partner&#8221; with public universities (and thus attach their private-sector funnels to public funding).  Eventually, students from average to poor backgrounds are not going to be given a choice between &#8220;traditional&#8221; and on-line versions of college.  They are going to be informed that if they want a degree, and of course they will want one because it will be necessary to even be considered for any of the few jobs left in the economy, they&#8217;ll have to sit in front a screen for a few years, at the end of which they can take some credentialing exams.  Rich students will still pay premium prices for traditional higher education, especially because it will remain &#8212; and be reinforced as &#8212; a marker of super-eliteness.</p>
<p>But money isn&#8217;t really the point for zealots (and I use the religious term advisedly) like Christensen.  They want the publicly-funded enterprise, through which independent, critically-minded researchers in everything from geochemistry to gender studies are enabled to work in many institutions and influence many other fellow citizens, destroyed.    It&#8217;s a wild-eyed ideological campaign disguised (as is so often the case) as a common-sense pragmatic one.   </p>
<p>Arguing the technical dimensions of whether MOOCs could be effective for democratizing certain aspects of knowledge-diffusion (they could be, managed entirely differently than they are at present) misses the point.</p>
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		<title>By: Bardiac</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Bardiac]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Feb 2013 20:26:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[If self-education worked really well, there would be a whole lot more brilliant and well-educated auto-didacts out there having gotten their education at local public libraries.  But the truth is, most people need incentives, structure, and guidance, and watching a film doesn&#039;t provide those any more than making books available in a library.  I&#039;m all for films and books, but I know I need a reason to learn and structure and guidance to learn well.

Unfortunately, I think many of the MOOC proponents don&#039;t care so much about real learning as they do about money, whether in profits or savings.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If self-education worked really well, there would be a whole lot more brilliant and well-educated auto-didacts out there having gotten their education at local public libraries.  But the truth is, most people need incentives, structure, and guidance, and watching a film doesn&#8217;t provide those any more than making books available in a library.  I&#8217;m all for films and books, but I know I need a reason to learn and structure and guidance to learn well.</p>
<p>Unfortunately, I think many of the MOOC proponents don&#8217;t care so much about real learning as they do about money, whether in profits or savings.</p>
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