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	<description>&#34;History is more or less bunk.&#34; - Henry Ford, 25 May 1916.</description>
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		<title>By: &#8220;It was the MOOCs! They done it!&#8221; &#171; More or Less Bunk</title>
		<link>http://moreorlessbunk.wordpress.com/2013/01/31/one-size-does-not-fit-all/#comment-5847</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[&#8220;It was the MOOCs! They done it!&#8221; &#171; More or Less Bunk]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 04 Feb 2013 16:22:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] The death of the traditional university can also become a self-fulfilling prophecy if students get directed online in more subtle ways. I&#8217;m still hoping Audrey Watters will write about this at her own blog, but until that happens I&#8217;ll just have to play off her comments here: [...]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] The death of the traditional university can also become a self-fulfilling prophecy if students get directed online in more subtle ways. I&#8217;m still hoping Audrey Watters will write about this at her own blog, but until that happens I&#8217;ll just have to play off her comments here: [...]</p>
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		<title>By: This Week In My Classes: Information and Education &#124;</title>
		<link>http://moreorlessbunk.wordpress.com/2013/01/31/one-size-does-not-fit-all/#comment-5828</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[This Week In My Classes: Information and Education &#124;]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 03 Feb 2013 17:32:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] it&#8217;s what we train for, it&#8217;s what we stand for, and it looks like it&#8217;s also what we&#8217;re going to have to fight for, as the pressure mounts for ways to automate, commodify, and depersonalize our classrooms. [...]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] it&#8217;s what we train for, it&#8217;s what we stand for, and it looks like it&#8217;s also what we&#8217;re going to have to fight for, as the pressure mounts for ways to automate, commodify, and depersonalize our classrooms. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: This Week In My Classes: Information and Education &#187; Novel Readings - Notes on Literature and Criticism</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[This Week In My Classes: Information and Education &#187; Novel Readings - Notes on Literature and Criticism]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 03 Feb 2013 16:31:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] it&#8217;s what we train for, it&#8217;s what we stand for, and it looks like it&#8217;s also what we&#8217;re going to have to fight for, as the pressure mounts for ways to automate, commodify, and depersonalize our classrooms. [...]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] it&#8217;s what we train for, it&#8217;s what we stand for, and it looks like it&#8217;s also what we&#8217;re going to have to fight for, as the pressure mounts for ways to automate, commodify, and depersonalize our classrooms. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Scott Johnson</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Scott Johnson]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Feb 2013 06:15:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I wonder if (based on my experience only) because we have made school of so little that is identifiably important to most people that the very word &quot;education&quot; associates with something of no particular use? A hard and unnecessarily complex way to get anything done? Based on straight desk time spent in school, some part of the liberal arts must have rubbed off on me but it&#039;s very, very difficult to explain without sounding like I&#039;m making it all up. 

Where I work the college president seems convinced that for learning, one perfect explanation exists and anything else is &quot;duplication&quot; or redundancy. Such constraints on the spectrum of potential interpretations of what it means to preside over a college is of course reductive, unappreciative of nuance and beyond discussion. To me, this suggests an appreciation of value in difference when it approaches the personal. So why is it so hard to make liberal arts a personal value that everyone could understand?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I wonder if (based on my experience only) because we have made school of so little that is identifiably important to most people that the very word &#8220;education&#8221; associates with something of no particular use? A hard and unnecessarily complex way to get anything done? Based on straight desk time spent in school, some part of the liberal arts must have rubbed off on me but it&#8217;s very, very difficult to explain without sounding like I&#8217;m making it all up. </p>
<p>Where I work the college president seems convinced that for learning, one perfect explanation exists and anything else is &#8220;duplication&#8221; or redundancy. Such constraints on the spectrum of potential interpretations of what it means to preside over a college is of course reductive, unappreciative of nuance and beyond discussion. To me, this suggests an appreciation of value in difference when it approaches the personal. So why is it so hard to make liberal arts a personal value that everyone could understand?</p>
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		<title>By: Audrey Watters (@audreywatters)</title>
		<link>http://moreorlessbunk.wordpress.com/2013/01/31/one-size-does-not-fit-all/#comment-5783</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Audrey Watters (@audreywatters)]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Feb 2013 01:06:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I realize now that I re-read my comment that I sounded like I was shaking my finger sternly at you -- you, you, history professor, you. That wasn&#039;t my intention. I think you&#039;ve been pretty vocal about your argument that &quot;we&#039;re all in this together.&quot;

But I do think it&#039;s going to be increasingly important, particularly for those whose disciplines don&#039;t fall under the STEM umbrella, to articulate the importance of the liberal arts (and more specifically, as this is my background, the humanities).]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I realize now that I re-read my comment that I sounded like I was shaking my finger sternly at you &#8212; you, you, history professor, you. That wasn&#8217;t my intention. I think you&#8217;ve been pretty vocal about your argument that &#8220;we&#8217;re all in this together.&#8221;</p>
<p>But I do think it&#8217;s going to be increasingly important, particularly for those whose disciplines don&#8217;t fall under the STEM umbrella, to articulate the importance of the liberal arts (and more specifically, as this is my background, the humanities).</p>
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		<title>By: Jonathan Rees</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jonathan Rees]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 Jan 2013 16:35:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Audrey, 

Because it&#039;s not my department, what you describe has been outside my field of vision.  I do, however, care very much.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Audrey, </p>
<p>Because it&#8217;s not my department, what you describe has been outside my field of vision.  I do, however, care very much.</p>
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		<title>By: Audrey Watters (@audreywatters)</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Audrey Watters (@audreywatters)]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 Jan 2013 16:19:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Udacity plans to focus solely on engineering and CS content (for now at least). I recently asked the startup&#039;s co-founder David Stavens about what exactly a complete Udacity CS &quot;degree&quot; will or should contain. 

As someone who works with a lot of technical folks (and admittedly someone who believes in a &quot;liberal arts education&quot;), I&#039;d argue that history, philosophy, art/design and OMG writing are all incredibly important for programmers to study -- not just Javascript or HTML5 or Python. They don&#039;t do enough of it as it stands. They don&#039;t learn to collaborate, manage projects, etc etc. (Will MOOCs teach these? Certainly not in their current format.)

What happens to CS when it decides that it wants to be more about skills training and as such abandons the liberal arts? (I think Steve Jobs gets invoked a lot here with his comments about Apple existing at the intersection of the liberal arts and technology). I guess we can shrug and say &quot;Oh well, it&#039;s not my discipline or department&quot; (and perhaps focus instead on what Coursera is up to -- its plans to MOOCify more of the curriculum). But I think we need to address this larger move towards viewing the university as all about skills and job training.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Udacity plans to focus solely on engineering and CS content (for now at least). I recently asked the startup&#8217;s co-founder David Stavens about what exactly a complete Udacity CS &#8220;degree&#8221; will or should contain. </p>
<p>As someone who works with a lot of technical folks (and admittedly someone who believes in a &#8220;liberal arts education&#8221;), I&#8217;d argue that history, philosophy, art/design and OMG writing are all incredibly important for programmers to study &#8212; not just Javascript or HTML5 or Python. They don&#8217;t do enough of it as it stands. They don&#8217;t learn to collaborate, manage projects, etc etc. (Will MOOCs teach these? Certainly not in their current format.)</p>
<p>What happens to CS when it decides that it wants to be more about skills training and as such abandons the liberal arts? (I think Steve Jobs gets invoked a lot here with his comments about Apple existing at the intersection of the liberal arts and technology). I guess we can shrug and say &#8220;Oh well, it&#8217;s not my discipline or department&#8221; (and perhaps focus instead on what Coursera is up to &#8212; its plans to MOOCify more of the curriculum). But I think we need to address this larger move towards viewing the university as all about skills and job training.</p>
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		<title>By: Chris</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Chris]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 Jan 2013 14:18:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Jeremy Adelman is Canadian? I thought I knew all of us down here.  On my campus, I haven&#039;t heard of any interest in MOOCs among historians.  A classicist has done one.  Copyright (of images) was a big challenge for that course, and, aside from any principled or pedagogical reasons, is a deterrent for art historians.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jeremy Adelman is Canadian? I thought I knew all of us down here.  On my campus, I haven&#8217;t heard of any interest in MOOCs among historians.  A classicist has done one.  Copyright (of images) was a big challenge for that course, and, aside from any principled or pedagogical reasons, is a deterrent for art historians.</p>
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		<title>By: Bardiac</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Bardiac]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 Jan 2013 14:11:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The thing is, history at the college level isn&#039;t about facts.  It&#039;s about why people think stuff happened, how they find, evaluate, and interpret evidence to make an argument.  And then there&#039;s the more complicated work of thinking about relationships between all sorts of evidence and arguments and conclusions.

Folks who think it&#039;s some sort of TV show &quot;just the facts, ma&#039;am&quot; aren&#039;t recognizing the real work of college.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The thing is, history at the college level isn&#8217;t about facts.  It&#8217;s about why people think stuff happened, how they find, evaluate, and interpret evidence to make an argument.  And then there&#8217;s the more complicated work of thinking about relationships between all sorts of evidence and arguments and conclusions.</p>
<p>Folks who think it&#8217;s some sort of TV show &#8220;just the facts, ma&#8217;am&#8221; aren&#8217;t recognizing the real work of college.</p>
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