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		<title>By: World History MOOC Report 13: In which I violate one of Richardson&#8217;s rules. &#171; More or Less Bunk</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[World History MOOC Report 13: In which I violate one of Richardson&#8217;s rules. &#171; More or Less Bunk]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Nov 2012 16:55:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] Much to his credit, Jeremy Adelman is doing his best to overcome this structural defect for his world history MOOC. If you want to reach him, you can find him in the forums fielding questions. If you want to send him tiny parachutes of pedagogical wisdom (just like in &#8220;The Hunger Games&#8221;), you can find him on this very blog. [...]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Much to his credit, Jeremy Adelman is doing his best to overcome this structural defect for his world history MOOC. If you want to reach him, you can find him in the forums fielding questions. If you want to send him tiny parachutes of pedagogical wisdom (just like in &#8220;The Hunger Games&#8221;), you can find him on this very blog. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Christine Gordon</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Christine Gordon]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Nov 2012 14:37:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I like Dan, too! I like it when Adelman asks any of the others (even Valeria who ALWAYS knows everything! :) ) because it gives me a chance to guess the answer as well. And, when Dan says EXACTLY what I&#039;m thinking, I can smile. :)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I like Dan, too! I like it when Adelman asks any of the others (even Valeria who ALWAYS knows everything! <img src='http://s0.wp.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' />  ) because it gives me a chance to guess the answer as well. And, when Dan says EXACTLY what I&#8217;m thinking, I can smile. <img src='http://s0.wp.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Christine Gordon</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Christine Gordon]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Nov 2012 14:34:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Agreed on all counts. I&#039;m also in the DNLE class with Stanford&#039;s Venture Lab with Laura, but I&#039;m also in Prof. Adelman&#039;s history class. I went to one of the top high schools in the country, and have a BS in biology and chemistry, and this history class is still one of my all-time favorite classes and I have learned a Ton of history. Dr. Adelman is particularly skilled at helping me see the story and connect the dots between all these different places and events. Before I could have just listed them off, now I feel I get how they connect to each other. And, I love the lectures, but then, I was a science major and that&#039;s how I learn :) They are friendly, interesting, and complement the text nicely.

 That being said, I think student-generated content would be wonderful! I am digging the team work in the DNLE class, although the forced competitiveness of it is getting annoying (I&#039;m just there to explore and learn, not compete). I think it would have been cool to let us form our own teams in the history class and then do something. I hate to say write essays because they don&#039;t actually end up anywhere. But, something (the only thing) my sustainability coursera class did that I found helpful was to have us create **anything** that related to sustainability and went beyond the scope of the class. People made websites, children&#039;s books, approached their legislature, etc. I&#039;m not sure what that would look like for a history class, but I think that&#039;s part of the challenge. I&#039;m discovering that I think every class should facilitate some thinking around &quot;what do we *do* with this knowledge?&quot;]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Agreed on all counts. I&#8217;m also in the DNLE class with Stanford&#8217;s Venture Lab with Laura, but I&#8217;m also in Prof. Adelman&#8217;s history class. I went to one of the top high schools in the country, and have a BS in biology and chemistry, and this history class is still one of my all-time favorite classes and I have learned a Ton of history. Dr. Adelman is particularly skilled at helping me see the story and connect the dots between all these different places and events. Before I could have just listed them off, now I feel I get how they connect to each other. And, I love the lectures, but then, I was a science major and that&#8217;s how I learn <img src='http://s0.wp.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' />  They are friendly, interesting, and complement the text nicely.</p>
<p> That being said, I think student-generated content would be wonderful! I am digging the team work in the DNLE class, although the forced competitiveness of it is getting annoying (I&#8217;m just there to explore and learn, not compete). I think it would have been cool to let us form our own teams in the history class and then do something. I hate to say write essays because they don&#8217;t actually end up anywhere. But, something (the only thing) my sustainability coursera class did that I found helpful was to have us create **anything** that related to sustainability and went beyond the scope of the class. People made websites, children&#8217;s books, approached their legislature, etc. I&#8217;m not sure what that would look like for a history class, but I think that&#8217;s part of the challenge. I&#8217;m discovering that I think every class should facilitate some thinking around &#8220;what do we *do* with this knowledge?&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Matthew Dalton</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Matthew Dalton]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Nov 2012 11:56:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Not to imply that Dan is a slow learner. I meant to say that it&#039;s nice to hear from someone who is, presumably, not a history student.

I like Dan.

I am digging a big hole for myself.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Not to imply that Dan is a slow learner. I meant to say that it&#8217;s nice to hear from someone who is, presumably, not a history student.</p>
<p>I like Dan.</p>
<p>I am digging a big hole for myself.</p>
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		<title>By: Matthew Dalton</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Matthew Dalton]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Nov 2012 07:45:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The question is how one engages with 80,000 students who are spread over numerous time zones, and who have varying levels of interest in the subject matter. And the answer is, of course, that you can’t: at least not directly.

But this raises a question: did the 80,000 people who signed up for this course expect to be able to chat after class with the professor? Did they expect to be a part of a global forest of Twitterers sharing their thoughts on the subject?

Is the subject matter so dull that I need Silvia - a fellow student from Arizona, joining us now via Skype - to ask if slaves ever ate sugar coated cotton? “Well, that’s an interesting question, Silvia.”

I think that the subject matter and the teacher’s enthusiasm and presentation of that material should (and do, in this case) speak for themselves.

Having said that, I think the discussion forum is a good idea that isn&#039;t really working. A symptom of that failure is the lack of questions being asked by students.

Also, I like it when we cross to the control room and Dan gets a go. 1869, what? This is great stuff for those of us who are slow learners.

My last point is this: surely, the beauty of the MOOC is the re-usability of the video lectures? And the time saved not recording lectures could be used to create a weekly exposé of a side topic: the Language of History, for example. Or we could have a fifteen minute lecture that shows how the weeks topics fit on a timeline.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The question is how one engages with 80,000 students who are spread over numerous time zones, and who have varying levels of interest in the subject matter. And the answer is, of course, that you can’t: at least not directly.</p>
<p>But this raises a question: did the 80,000 people who signed up for this course expect to be able to chat after class with the professor? Did they expect to be a part of a global forest of Twitterers sharing their thoughts on the subject?</p>
<p>Is the subject matter so dull that I need Silvia &#8211; a fellow student from Arizona, joining us now via Skype &#8211; to ask if slaves ever ate sugar coated cotton? “Well, that’s an interesting question, Silvia.”</p>
<p>I think that the subject matter and the teacher’s enthusiasm and presentation of that material should (and do, in this case) speak for themselves.</p>
<p>Having said that, I think the discussion forum is a good idea that isn&#8217;t really working. A symptom of that failure is the lack of questions being asked by students.</p>
<p>Also, I like it when we cross to the control room and Dan gets a go. 1869, what? This is great stuff for those of us who are slow learners.</p>
<p>My last point is this: surely, the beauty of the MOOC is the re-usability of the video lectures? And the time saved not recording lectures could be used to create a weekly exposé of a side topic: the Language of History, for example. Or we could have a fifteen minute lecture that shows how the weeks topics fit on a timeline.</p>
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		<title>By: Laura Gibbs</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Laura Gibbs]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Nov 2012 22:01:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Jeremy, the sooner, the better! I didn&#039;t see even a glimmer of that way of thinking in the Fantasy-SciFi course, which was beset with problems. Every iteration of a course that passes with all the content generated by students going into the virtual trash can represents a MASSIVE (!) wasted opportunity.
I&#039;m involved in the DNLE Designing a New Learning Environment course being offered by Stanford through Venture Labs right now and I am very pleased to say that the professor has embarked on a project to use highly active participants in the class as content curators in order to build a persistent website that will represent a kind of &quot;greatest hits&quot; of the course that will showcase outstanding team projects, etc. (That whole course is based on the idea of students doing work and sharing it; it&#039;s not very much about content consumption... and I am enjoying it infinitely more than the Coursera class I participated in.)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jeremy, the sooner, the better! I didn&#8217;t see even a glimmer of that way of thinking in the Fantasy-SciFi course, which was beset with problems. Every iteration of a course that passes with all the content generated by students going into the virtual trash can represents a MASSIVE (!) wasted opportunity.<br />
I&#8217;m involved in the DNLE Designing a New Learning Environment course being offered by Stanford through Venture Labs right now and I am very pleased to say that the professor has embarked on a project to use highly active participants in the class as content curators in order to build a persistent website that will represent a kind of &#8220;greatest hits&#8221; of the course that will showcase outstanding team projects, etc. (That whole course is based on the idea of students doing work and sharing it; it&#8217;s not very much about content consumption&#8230; and I am enjoying it infinitely more than the Coursera class I participated in.)</p>
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		<title>By: Jeremy</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jeremy]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Nov 2012 21:55:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Well, Jonathan, you are your own worst enemy!  You see, all this helpful advice to improve a course that will be the death of us all!

Vim, no need to feel guilty.  The attrition rate on this course is akin to all the others.  Life catches up with you, and if you&#039;d had the spare time for a course you&#039;d have been reading more books anyway.  I do like your idea of more dynamic graphics.  One critique I have of myself is that I use the images too much as if the lecture were an oral book, with the images as embellishments.  The problem, and here&#039;s some fodder for Jonathan, is that I can&#039;t do the more spontaneous, &quot;hey let&#039;s look at this sleeping peasant -- what&#039;s that all about?&quot; in the broadcast booth because there are no students to riff with.  So the interactivity is gone that helped bring images to life. I&#039;ll have to look into more lively images, then -- like burning elephants.  (Good luck getting the credits for that one!).

On the forums, it&#039;s true they became a bit of a free for all, until I started to post my own focus questions.  Usually I log in every day and follow two or three threads and wade in there so we can drill deeper into a question.  But it&#039;s not spontaneous or &quot;real-time&quot; like Twitter.  But then the good old fashioned lecture was about the epitome of the one-way passive learning artifact that still dominates the humanities and social sciences.

One way around this is an open-forum structure, like Anne&#039;s suggesting.  I could skype some of this and students could text in their queries, objections etc.  I am going to try this next time, like a bit of a call in show on line.  Both Vim and Anne are right that the real-time interactivity is critical.  Once upon a time, Anne, I was going to surround the Global Dialogue room with screens with Coursera students skyped in so they could participate, and I would do much less of the hosting and instead turn the guest over to the world.  But our Info Tech people just didn&#039;t know how to wire the room the right way.

Anne - the lectures are getting a bit better because I am getting more familiar also with my solitude in the broadcast booth.  Weird, eh?

Hey Laura - great idea.  When Daphne Koller and I were talking about rolling out my course, I told her my original idea was to have students build archives of their learning.  Start with a blank map of the world and fill it in  over the course of the semester with stuff you learned, including sections with burning elephants smashing into the walls of Delhi.  By the end of each fortnight, students would have not an essay but a personally created map of their learning with all kinds of embedded information and analysis.  She thought this was cool, but didn&#039;t think her engineers could design the software in time, so we shelved it.  You are reminding me that I should get Daphne&#039;s team back on this.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, Jonathan, you are your own worst enemy!  You see, all this helpful advice to improve a course that will be the death of us all!</p>
<p>Vim, no need to feel guilty.  The attrition rate on this course is akin to all the others.  Life catches up with you, and if you&#8217;d had the spare time for a course you&#8217;d have been reading more books anyway.  I do like your idea of more dynamic graphics.  One critique I have of myself is that I use the images too much as if the lecture were an oral book, with the images as embellishments.  The problem, and here&#8217;s some fodder for Jonathan, is that I can&#8217;t do the more spontaneous, &#8220;hey let&#8217;s look at this sleeping peasant &#8212; what&#8217;s that all about?&#8221; in the broadcast booth because there are no students to riff with.  So the interactivity is gone that helped bring images to life. I&#8217;ll have to look into more lively images, then &#8212; like burning elephants.  (Good luck getting the credits for that one!).</p>
<p>On the forums, it&#8217;s true they became a bit of a free for all, until I started to post my own focus questions.  Usually I log in every day and follow two or three threads and wade in there so we can drill deeper into a question.  But it&#8217;s not spontaneous or &#8220;real-time&#8221; like Twitter.  But then the good old fashioned lecture was about the epitome of the one-way passive learning artifact that still dominates the humanities and social sciences.</p>
<p>One way around this is an open-forum structure, like Anne&#8217;s suggesting.  I could skype some of this and students could text in their queries, objections etc.  I am going to try this next time, like a bit of a call in show on line.  Both Vim and Anne are right that the real-time interactivity is critical.  Once upon a time, Anne, I was going to surround the Global Dialogue room with screens with Coursera students skyped in so they could participate, and I would do much less of the hosting and instead turn the guest over to the world.  But our Info Tech people just didn&#8217;t know how to wire the room the right way.</p>
<p>Anne &#8211; the lectures are getting a bit better because I am getting more familiar also with my solitude in the broadcast booth.  Weird, eh?</p>
<p>Hey Laura &#8211; great idea.  When Daphne Koller and I were talking about rolling out my course, I told her my original idea was to have students build archives of their learning.  Start with a blank map of the world and fill it in  over the course of the semester with stuff you learned, including sections with burning elephants smashing into the walls of Delhi.  By the end of each fortnight, students would have not an essay but a personally created map of their learning with all kinds of embedded information and analysis.  She thought this was cool, but didn&#8217;t think her engineers could design the software in time, so we shelved it.  You are reminding me that I should get Daphne&#8217;s team back on this.</p>
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		<title>By: Laura Gibbs</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Laura Gibbs]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Nov 2012 16:58:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Students can BUILD something together - for example, in the (very frustrating) Fantasy-SciFi MOOC from Coursera, instead of just having thousands of students bang out meaningless 300-word essays, what if we had built a giant wiki that created beautiful paragraph-by-paragraph commentaries on the public domain texts that constituted the reading for the course (we read Frankenstein, Dracula, Dr. Moreau - so much great stuff, and most of the course reading was public domain). If the programming gurus at Coursera had gotten some decent wiki software and set up the novels chunked into paragraphs, we could have produced a fascinating collaborative commentary on those texts, internationally informed, instead of thousands upon thousands of 300-word essays that all went straight into the digital trash can.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Students can BUILD something together &#8211; for example, in the (very frustrating) Fantasy-SciFi MOOC from Coursera, instead of just having thousands of students bang out meaningless 300-word essays, what if we had built a giant wiki that created beautiful paragraph-by-paragraph commentaries on the public domain texts that constituted the reading for the course (we read Frankenstein, Dracula, Dr. Moreau &#8211; so much great stuff, and most of the course reading was public domain). If the programming gurus at Coursera had gotten some decent wiki software and set up the novels chunked into paragraphs, we could have produced a fascinating collaborative commentary on those texts, internationally informed, instead of thousands upon thousands of 300-word essays that all went straight into the digital trash can.</p>
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		<title>By: Anne</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Anne]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Nov 2012 05:36:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Well he&#039;s my super professor too and the thing I would like more than anything else is some way to interact.  Couldn&#039;t there be a weekly session like a call-in show but on the Internet where you get to ask questions or make comments.  Of course only a few students would get to do so, but it would feel so much more alive.  I know of such sessions with authors and famous people so I know the technology is there.  Valeria is very sweet but she doesn&#039;t stand in for me.  Don&#039;t abandon the lectures though.  I notice Dr. Adelman&#039;s enthusiasm has picked up a lot as we get closer to modern times.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well he&#8217;s my super professor too and the thing I would like more than anything else is some way to interact.  Couldn&#8217;t there be a weekly session like a call-in show but on the Internet where you get to ask questions or make comments.  Of course only a few students would get to do so, but it would feel so much more alive.  I know of such sessions with authors and famous people so I know the technology is there.  Valeria is very sweet but she doesn&#8217;t stand in for me.  Don&#8217;t abandon the lectures though.  I notice Dr. Adelman&#8217;s enthusiasm has picked up a lot as we get closer to modern times.</p>
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		<title>By: Vim, Ph.D. (@Exhaust_Fumes)</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Vim, Ph.D. (@Exhaust_Fumes)]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Nov 2012 23:30:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Also, full disclosure, I haven&#039;t watched any lectures past #6, because I got overwhelmed by my job. And I haven&#039;t looked at any of the forums for a month. Nor have I read anything for the MOOC beyond the emails, which I&#039;ve read and then felt ashamed...sigh.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Also, full disclosure, I haven&#8217;t watched any lectures past #6, because I got overwhelmed by my job. And I haven&#8217;t looked at any of the forums for a month. Nor have I read anything for the MOOC beyond the emails, which I&#8217;ve read and then felt ashamed&#8230;sigh.</p>
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