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		<title>By: So I signed up for another MOOC&#8230; &#171; More or Less Bunk</title>
		<link>http://moreorlessbunk.wordpress.com/2012/11/19/breakin-up-is-hard-to-do/#comment-5540</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[So I signed up for another MOOC&#8230; &#171; More or Less Bunk]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Jan 2013 15:56:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] campus because picking what they teach is what makes the job fun. Besides, as I&#8217;ve explained before, content knowledge is what makes Ph.D.s worth our salaries. Without it, we&#8217;d all be paid like [...]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] campus because picking what they teach is what makes the job fun. Besides, as I&#8217;ve explained before, content knowledge is what makes Ph.D.s worth our salaries. Without it, we&#8217;d all be paid like [...]</p>
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		<title>By: World History MOOC Report 15: In which I watch &#8220;a global conversation about global history.&#8221; &#171; More or Less Bunk</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[World History MOOC Report 15: In which I watch &#8220;a global conversation about global history.&#8221; &#171; More or Less Bunk]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Dec 2012 14:02:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] mentioned recently on this blog that I got absolutely no guidance in graduate school about teaching. At least I didn&#8217;t get a [...]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] mentioned recently on this blog that I got absolutely no guidance in graduate school about teaching. At least I didn&#8217;t get a [...]</p>
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		<title>By: The professoriate is the worst guild ever. &#171; More or Less Bunk</title>
		<link>http://moreorlessbunk.wordpress.com/2012/11/19/breakin-up-is-hard-to-do/#comment-5141</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[The professoriate is the worst guild ever. &#171; More or Less Bunk]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Nov 2012 14:05:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] president of the Association of the American Colleges and Universities. If you think I&#8217;m tough on Daphne Koller of Coursera, read Mazel on Sebastian Thrun of Udacity in the comments [...]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] president of the Association of the American Colleges and Universities. If you think I&#8217;m tough on Daphne Koller of Coursera, read Mazel on Sebastian Thrun of Udacity in the comments [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Contingent Cassandra</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Contingent Cassandra]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Nov 2012 19:58:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Amen to everything above.  From my disciplinary perspective (writing/English lit.), classes are designed at least as much to teach skills as content, and I often choose specific content (usually readings)  because it lends itself to an exercise, activity, etc. that will allow students to develop a particular skill.  I also often choose a certain percentage of fairly to very obscure texts because some students are not able to resist the temptation to look up the &quot;right answer&quot; if any criticism on the text is available, and doing so will short-circuit the development of their own analytical skills.  Obviously, this also means that I change some of my selections fairly frequently, so that the obscure texts will still be obscure, even on my campus.  And even more obviously, none of this work with a MOOC that repeated even once without at least some of the content being refreshed.  

I really don&#039;t think the proponents of MOOCs  as substitutes for traditional college classes, despite the fact that some of them hold Ph.D.s and really ought to know better (and despite their giving lip service to the value of hands-on work by both teachers and students) understand that education is far more than information transfer. Especially at a time when knowledge in many fields is changing rapidly, developing skills has to be at least as important a goal, and choosing materials and designing and updating assignments, activities, exercises etc. that will develop those skills one of the professor&#039;s core tasks.  One could, indeed, use MOOC lectures as part of the mix, but the labor-intensive part is still best done locally (and, if it were done at the MOOC level, would need to be updated quarterly/semesterly, which would considerably increase the workload of the MOOC-creators). 

Nor have I seen (still) a satisfactory explanation of how a set of MOOC lectures is different, except in method of information from a textbook (or any book).  Koller seems to assume that college professors don&#039;t regularly teach outside their areas of expertise.  That&#039;s simply wrong; we often do so, by doing just what she imagines with MOOCs, but with books: choosing work on the subject produced by people who have spent more time on the subject, and learning ahead of, and alongside, our students.  A teacher who knows what (s)he is doing will conduct such a class differently than one in which (s)he is a subject-matter expert, being upfront about what (s)he does and doesn&#039;t know, and making the class an opportunity to model for students how to approach an unfamiliar subject.  The one thing (s)he won&#039;t do is pick a textbook (or a MOOC) and just follow it through, step by step, assigning chapters, exercises, etc., verbatim.  Such an approach would, indeed, be glorified TAing (and not very good TAing at that).  Anything more -- i.e. the process of making the course the professor&#039;s own through making innovative, individualized use of the materials in the book, or the MOOC -- will make for a much better course, but will also erase the supposed productivity gains from MOOCs.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Amen to everything above.  From my disciplinary perspective (writing/English lit.), classes are designed at least as much to teach skills as content, and I often choose specific content (usually readings)  because it lends itself to an exercise, activity, etc. that will allow students to develop a particular skill.  I also often choose a certain percentage of fairly to very obscure texts because some students are not able to resist the temptation to look up the &#8220;right answer&#8221; if any criticism on the text is available, and doing so will short-circuit the development of their own analytical skills.  Obviously, this also means that I change some of my selections fairly frequently, so that the obscure texts will still be obscure, even on my campus.  And even more obviously, none of this work with a MOOC that repeated even once without at least some of the content being refreshed.  </p>
<p>I really don&#8217;t think the proponents of MOOCs  as substitutes for traditional college classes, despite the fact that some of them hold Ph.D.s and really ought to know better (and despite their giving lip service to the value of hands-on work by both teachers and students) understand that education is far more than information transfer. Especially at a time when knowledge in many fields is changing rapidly, developing skills has to be at least as important a goal, and choosing materials and designing and updating assignments, activities, exercises etc. that will develop those skills one of the professor&#8217;s core tasks.  One could, indeed, use MOOC lectures as part of the mix, but the labor-intensive part is still best done locally (and, if it were done at the MOOC level, would need to be updated quarterly/semesterly, which would considerably increase the workload of the MOOC-creators). </p>
<p>Nor have I seen (still) a satisfactory explanation of how a set of MOOC lectures is different, except in method of information from a textbook (or any book).  Koller seems to assume that college professors don&#8217;t regularly teach outside their areas of expertise.  That&#8217;s simply wrong; we often do so, by doing just what she imagines with MOOCs, but with books: choosing work on the subject produced by people who have spent more time on the subject, and learning ahead of, and alongside, our students.  A teacher who knows what (s)he is doing will conduct such a class differently than one in which (s)he is a subject-matter expert, being upfront about what (s)he does and doesn&#8217;t know, and making the class an opportunity to model for students how to approach an unfamiliar subject.  The one thing (s)he won&#8217;t do is pick a textbook (or a MOOC) and just follow it through, step by step, assigning chapters, exercises, etc., verbatim.  Such an approach would, indeed, be glorified TAing (and not very good TAing at that).  Anything more &#8212; i.e. the process of making the course the professor&#8217;s own through making innovative, individualized use of the materials in the book, or the MOOC &#8212; will make for a much better course, but will also erase the supposed productivity gains from MOOCs.</p>
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		<title>By: Bardiac</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Bardiac]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Nov 2012 22:11:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The implication is sort of that once the superprofessor prepares the curriculum it stays pretty much in place.  You just rerun the lecture series again and again.

But real education involves creating new curricula, questioning old knowledge, rethinking, trying out ideas.  And those things require not babysitters, but engaged minds with a lot of knowledge and a variety of experiences.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The implication is sort of that once the superprofessor prepares the curriculum it stays pretty much in place.  You just rerun the lecture series again and again.</p>
<p>But real education involves creating new curricula, questioning old knowledge, rethinking, trying out ideas.  And those things require not babysitters, but engaged minds with a lot of knowledge and a variety of experiences.</p>
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		<title>By: Jonathan Rees</title>
		<link>http://moreorlessbunk.wordpress.com/2012/11/19/breakin-up-is-hard-to-do/#comment-5081</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jonathan Rees]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Nov 2012 16:27:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Because the more easy it is to replace you, the less academic freedom you have.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Because the more easy it is to replace you, the less academic freedom you have.</p>
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		<title>By: undinenotofgeneralinterest</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[undinenotofgeneralinterest]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Nov 2012 23:26:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Koller is not only dead wrong that we won&#039;t be turned into Glorified Teaching Assistants; she undercuts this ridiculously unsupported claim in the midst of her cheerleading: &quot;Local instructors can still be used to help students traverse the material, but considerably less manpower and expertise are required to facilitate a class than to prepare the curriculum from scratch.&quot; Less manpower and expertise = we don&#039;t need professors. Didn&#039;t she read her own essay?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Koller is not only dead wrong that we won&#8217;t be turned into Glorified Teaching Assistants; she undercuts this ridiculously unsupported claim in the midst of her cheerleading: &#8220;Local instructors can still be used to help students traverse the material, but considerably less manpower and expertise are required to facilitate a class than to prepare the curriculum from scratch.&#8221; Less manpower and expertise = we don&#8217;t need professors. Didn&#8217;t she read her own essay?</p>
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		<title>By: staff</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[staff]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Nov 2012 17:30:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Why do you assume the professor will facilitate the class exactly as presented?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Why do you assume the professor will facilitate the class exactly as presented?</p>
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		<title>By: RAB</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[RAB]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Nov 2012 14:14:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[So, serendipitous interactions that lead to innovative new ideas as we traverse the quad and the material, eh? Beats the hell out of those innovative OLD ideas that used to be developed in the process of focused, shaped, and supported explorations of bodies of information and opinion within disciplinary parameters and sociohistorical contexts. 
My favorite passage is &quot;While some critics might say this model turns instructors into glorified Teaching Assistants, the reality is that it actually allows instructors to move away from orating, and go back to teaching, the way it was meant to be.&quot; Reminds me quite a bit of a sentence a student of mine wrote once upon a time, a sentence that was supposedly the &quot;opposition paragraph&quot; presenting and exploring a point of view contrary to the author&#039;s thesis. Here it is, in its entirety: &quot;Some people may disagree with me, but they are wrong.&quot;
Is this the kind of rigorous thinking we can all look forward to in the cowardly new world of superprofs, administrators, and local support facilitators?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So, serendipitous interactions that lead to innovative new ideas as we traverse the quad and the material, eh? Beats the hell out of those innovative OLD ideas that used to be developed in the process of focused, shaped, and supported explorations of bodies of information and opinion within disciplinary parameters and sociohistorical contexts.<br />
My favorite passage is &#8220;While some critics might say this model turns instructors into glorified Teaching Assistants, the reality is that it actually allows instructors to move away from orating, and go back to teaching, the way it was meant to be.&#8221; Reminds me quite a bit of a sentence a student of mine wrote once upon a time, a sentence that was supposedly the &#8220;opposition paragraph&#8221; presenting and exploring a point of view contrary to the author&#8217;s thesis. Here it is, in its entirety: &#8220;Some people may disagree with me, but they are wrong.&#8221;<br />
Is this the kind of rigorous thinking we can all look forward to in the cowardly new world of superprofs, administrators, and local support facilitators?</p>
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