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	<description>&#34;History is more or less bunk.&#34; - Henry Ford, 25 May 1916.</description>
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		<title>By: You&#8217;re on your own, kid. &#171; More or Less Bunk</title>
		<link>http://moreorlessbunk.wordpress.com/2012/08/31/there-is-no-light-at-the-end-of-the-tunnel/#comment-4999</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[You&#8217;re on your own, kid. &#171; More or Less Bunk]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Nov 2012 12:11:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] I spent much of Election Day at a training session for people in my department who will be teaching online soon. No, I haven&#8217;t changed my mind about anything. However, my friend Robert Bromber was our [...]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] I spent much of Election Day at a training session for people in my department who will be teaching online soon. No, I haven&#8217;t changed my mind about anything. However, my friend Robert Bromber was our [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Why don&#8217;t we just cut to the chase and start selling &#8220;A&#8221;s? &#171; More or Less Bunk</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Why don&#8217;t we just cut to the chase and start selling &#8220;A&#8221;s? &#171; More or Less Bunk]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Sep 2012 20:53:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] administration-imposed movements towards offering an all-online history degree. [I described them here.] Perhaps my foremost objection to these efforts isn&#8217;t that these courses are going to be [...]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] administration-imposed movements towards offering an all-online history degree. [I described them here.] Perhaps my foremost objection to these efforts isn&#8217;t that these courses are going to be [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Jonathan Rees</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jonathan Rees]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 02 Sep 2012 16:15:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[You are wise in the ways of academic office politics, Historiann, but the last thing I&#039;ll say about this in this venue is that I picked an extremely good semester to be on sabbatical.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You are wise in the ways of academic office politics, Historiann, but the last thing I&#8217;ll say about this in this venue is that I picked an extremely good semester to be on sabbatical.</p>
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		<title>By: Historiann</title>
		<link>http://moreorlessbunk.wordpress.com/2012/08/31/there-is-no-light-at-the-end-of-the-tunnel/#comment-4491</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Historiann]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 02 Sep 2012 15:22:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Well, if it was the LAST Provost, then why are you bound to hir promises?  If it was done without the department&#039;s approval, then it seems like a sit-down strike is in order.

This is what gives me hope:  administrator churn is much higher than tenured proffie churn.  We may be able to wait out the storm--but in the meantime, faculties have to hang together lest they will surely hang separately.  I don&#039;t believe your chair is being fully honest with you.  I don&#039;t buy the &quot;our hands are tied&quot; line--and who are &quot;they&quot; going to hire to teach a history course without hir approval or the department&#039;s input?

The whole thing reeks of a hinky scheme, Jonathan!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, if it was the LAST Provost, then why are you bound to hir promises?  If it was done without the department&#8217;s approval, then it seems like a sit-down strike is in order.</p>
<p>This is what gives me hope:  administrator churn is much higher than tenured proffie churn.  We may be able to wait out the storm&#8211;but in the meantime, faculties have to hang together lest they will surely hang separately.  I don&#8217;t believe your chair is being fully honest with you.  I don&#8217;t buy the &#8220;our hands are tied&#8221; line&#8211;and who are &#8220;they&#8221; going to hire to teach a history course without hir approval or the department&#8217;s input?</p>
<p>The whole thing reeks of a hinky scheme, Jonathan!</p>
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		<title>By: J Liedl</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[J Liedl]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 01 Sep 2012 19:56:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Wow, that&#039;s a scary prospect. Our distance ed people have been pushing for fifteen years for us to authorize the senior seminars as online courses. We resist but the result is that determined students take the equivalent (hah!) courses from a Canadian university that specializes in online education. I&#039;m not convinced they&#039;re getting an equivalent experience to our students at all. . . .

On the other hand, I have taught two seminars online for various complicated reasons. It can work well but both the instructor and the student have to work really hard to keep the energy flowing and the high-level analysis sparking off of each other. Too many students try to take the easy way out and fake their way through it - the challenge is to make real skiving off impossible or as close to this as can be but that takes an enormous amount of effort on the part of the faculty.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow, that&#8217;s a scary prospect. Our distance ed people have been pushing for fifteen years for us to authorize the senior seminars as online courses. We resist but the result is that determined students take the equivalent (hah!) courses from a Canadian university that specializes in online education. I&#8217;m not convinced they&#8217;re getting an equivalent experience to our students at all. . . .</p>
<p>On the other hand, I have taught two seminars online for various complicated reasons. It can work well but both the instructor and the student have to work really hard to keep the energy flowing and the high-level analysis sparking off of each other. Too many students try to take the easy way out and fake their way through it &#8211; the challenge is to make real skiving off impossible or as close to this as can be but that takes an enormous amount of effort on the part of the faculty.</p>
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		<title>By: Jonathan Rees</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jonathan Rees]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 01 Sep 2012 00:58:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[To be fair, it&#039;s not the department&#039;s (or the depattment chair&#039;s) idea. The last provost signed us up for a program intended to provide online degrees to the military without asking the department first.  If you can&#039;t get a CSU-Pueblo history degree entirely online then the university forfeits a lot of money. 

Tenure may not be worth what it once was these days, but it does give me the prerogative to not make that my problem.  Besides, the administration undoubtedly prefers having that class taught by adjuncts for the reasons outlined in the post above.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To be fair, it&#8217;s not the department&#8217;s (or the depattment chair&#8217;s) idea. The last provost signed us up for a program intended to provide online degrees to the military without asking the department first.  If you can&#8217;t get a CSU-Pueblo history degree entirely online then the university forfeits a lot of money. </p>
<p>Tenure may not be worth what it once was these days, but it does give me the prerogative to not make that my problem.  Besides, the administration undoubtedly prefers having that class taught by adjuncts for the reasons outlined in the post above.</p>
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		<title>By: Contingent Cassandra</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Contingent Cassandra]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 01 Sep 2012 00:33:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[My reaction is the same as Rohan&#039;s: unless you have a whole online degree program, with students gaining experience in effective online interaction as well as the skills associated with the field along the way, I can&#039;t imagine putting the senior seminar online.  

I also can&#039;t imagine handing the course over to an adjunct (a non-tenure-track full-timer, maybe, if there are multiple sections of the seminar, and (s)he can offer up-to-date instruction in a specialty the department doesn&#039;t otherwise offer).   A department that does that is, to my mind, declaring pedagogical bankruptcy.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My reaction is the same as Rohan&#8217;s: unless you have a whole online degree program, with students gaining experience in effective online interaction as well as the skills associated with the field along the way, I can&#8217;t imagine putting the senior seminar online.  </p>
<p>I also can&#8217;t imagine handing the course over to an adjunct (a non-tenure-track full-timer, maybe, if there are multiple sections of the seminar, and (s)he can offer up-to-date instruction in a specialty the department doesn&#8217;t otherwise offer).   A department that does that is, to my mind, declaring pedagogical bankruptcy.</p>
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		<title>By: Rohan</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Rohan]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 31 Aug 2012 16:40:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Even setting aside the other problems you point to here, I&#039;d have thought that a senior seminar would be the *last* course a department would want to offer online.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Even setting aside the other problems you point to here, I&#8217;d have thought that a senior seminar would be the *last* course a department would want to offer online.</p>
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